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 Post subject: Re: RACELOGIC VBOX, (performance & real world power analysis)
PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:31 pm 
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Well, dropped off the "old VBOX3" today, and in a few weeks will have new VB3i, IMU unit, and another input box to complete the testing rig on the SP ;)

Compressor housing is off getting machined for the Turbine Speed Sensor, all variables to be logged, test engine is in car and 98% of wiring completed.

Will update some testing results *if anyone is interested*

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 Post subject: Re: RACELOGIC VBOX, (performance & real world power analysis)
PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:36 pm 
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All done on same rpm and boost scale
to give you feeling of spool and power band, backed up with speed test

SpiritR
(4.3 diff) **600m altitude tests**
[url="http://www.riceracing.com.au/rides/SeriesVIII_SpiritR.htm"]http://www.riceracing.com.au/rides/S...II_SpiritR.htm[/url] (Track time and more detail)
Mods: RF420 19.5psi, Parallel Turbo, upgrade SMIC, CDI, FULL SMB Exhaust
Time: 3.21 seconds V-BOX REPORT
^ = 257rwkw on VBOX
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/1607/nathrl7.jpg
16.8psi
Time: 3.52 seconds
^ = 237rwkw on VBOX
13.0psi
Time: 3.73 seconds
^ = 212rwkw on VBOX

13.0psi
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17psi
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19.5psi
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verbatimrx7 (4.1 diff)
Mods: GCG T28's 17.5psi, FMIC, Parallel Turbo
Time: 3.45 seconds V-BOX REPORT
[url="http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3038/verbaitimgf6.jpg"]http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3...rbaitimgf6.jpg[/url]

17.5psi
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Kin (4.1 diff) **600m altitude test**
Mods: Anal lube, T04Z 17.5psi, HKS V Mount, CDI, SMB, screamer pipe, tow truck special, 1800 FUJ TOW
Time: 2.99 seconds V-BOX REPORT
^ = 280rwkw indicated on VBOX
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/2515/kinim9.jpg

17.5psi
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SLYTHR
[url="http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/5562/kostas7ausstockwe2.jpg"]http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/5...usstockwe2.jpg[/url] (shows test of stock ECU Aus spec S7 FD )
Mods: STOCK ECU, Stock down pipe and scat, CANON.
Time: 5.37 seconds

stock FD3S
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 Post subject: Re: RACELOGIC VBOX, (performance & real world power analysis)
PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:37 pm 
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sounds ghetto,will never work.

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 Post subject: Re: RACELOGIC VBOX, (performance & real world power analysis)
PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 1:46 pm 
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http://www.riceracing.com.au/vbox-iii-t ... tuning.htm

New VBOX set up has landed :)

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 Post subject: Re: RACELOGIC VBOX, (performance & real world power analysis)
PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 11:37 pm 
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Also upgraded to some high spec tanner wireless corner weight scales =P~ to do the full in house measurement of vehicle mass prior to testing. It's a sweet set up now........ gotta say even I am very impressed with it :laugh:

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 Post subject: Re: RACELOGIC VBOX, (performance & real world power analysis)
PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 10:29 pm 
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Picked up new VBOX today, IT IS JIZZ FACTOR 11 !

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 Post subject: Re: RACELOGIC VBOX, (performance & real world power analysis)
PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 8:58 pm 
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Tested the Kluger today, this new VBOX is bullshit good! amazing bit of gear ! Power through gears (1st to 2nd)

Tested 2 different launch techniques (tested)
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Test one load up trans 0-100kph 7.60 seconds
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Test two no load 0-100kph 7.88 seconds
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Power check after tests in 2nd
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 Post subject: Re: RACELOGIC VBOX, (performance & real world power analysis)
PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 11:37 pm 
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very impressive graphing,so the kluncker is coming in at 170awkw.not too bad at all,shame its so heavy damn it :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: RACELOGIC VBOX, (performance & real world power analysis)
PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 11:48 pm 
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Goes hard for a big car, faster than a RX8 lol!!!!

The graphs are unreal, unbelievable really the information you can extract if you are proficient with it. I counted all of the data channels I have its around 54 including formula generated channels! takes up a shit load of memory now for a simple run lol

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 Post subject: Re: RACELOGIC VBOX, (performance & real world power analysis)
PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 12:06 am 
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RICE RACING wrote:
Goes hard for a big car, faster than a RX8 lol!!!!

The graphs are unreal, unbelievable really the information you can extract if you are proficient with it. I counted all of the data channels I have its around 54 including formula generated channels! takes up a shit load of memory now for a simple run lol


faster than an rx8 :lol: my diahatsu mira 856cc 3 cylinder is faster than an rx8.isnt everything? :lol:

so are all these graphs in built as such or do u have to write equations for it to calculate all this from its gps data?

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0-160 - 7.6
0-200- 11.4
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 Post subject: Re: RACELOGIC VBOX, (performance & real world power analysis)
PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 12:45 am 
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You have to write your own equations to get most from it (all the stuff I do is all hand written, there are no drop down box n shit for anything sensor wise or formula wise etc). It's job is to give best *absolute* raw data and you have to figure out everything else like the reports or further end uses for it all.

Def not for the average man in the street or performance workshop :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: RACELOGIC VBOX, (performance & real world power analysis)
PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 10:15 am 
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This new machine is amazing!

Below is a close up of the events before the start of the 0-100kph test, you can see the accelerometer as well as the GPS measure longitudinal acceleration prior to the test report being run............... The car moves a measured 10 millimeters!!!! (highlighted in blue) Speed scale is 0 to 1 km/h !

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This graph shows the conditions AFTER "roll out" as used at ghetto drag racing tracks around the world! how these cunts say this can be accurate (ghetto drag light system!) with such a MASSIVE variable is beyond me !!!!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: RACELOGIC VBOX, (performance & real world power analysis)
PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 11:12 am 
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rotorpsi1 wrote:
very impressive graphing,so the kluncker is coming in at 170awkw.not too bad at all,shame its so heavy damn it :lol:


http://images.google.com.au/imgres?imgu ... 1%26um%3D1

This is the last post for my Toyota but I though some would appreciate this link!

Bloke put a Kluger motor in his MR2 running stock ECU etc and measured 276rwhp on a dynojet...... this means my power measure is pretty good (as I am getting 222rwhp to 228rwhp) through my 4wd system with stock exhaust etc. :lol: May have to do full exhaust on the KLUGER!!! :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: RACELOGIC VBOX, (performance & real world power analysis)
PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 5:58 pm 
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rotorpsi1 wrote:
RICE RACING wrote:
Goes hard for a big car, faster than a RX8 lol!!!!

The graphs are unreal, unbelievable really the information you can extract if you are proficient with it. I counted all of the data channels I have its around 54 including formula generated channels! takes up a shit load of memory now for a simple run lol


faster than an rx8 :lol: my diahatsu mira 856cc 3 cylinder is faster than an rx8.isnt everything? :lol:

so are all these graphs in built as such or do u have to write equations for it to calculate all this from its gps data?


Interesting reading for the rotary buffs and kluger enthusiasts out there:

2008 Royal Auto that landed today on my doorstep

Tested by Ernest Litera (RACV's chief vehicle tester)

Tested New RX8 GT 170kw, 1379kg sports car... VBOX figures:

0-100 = 8.5 seconds
400m 15.9 seconds

& Fuel usage 14.5lt per 100km

LOL V's my 2075kg (as tested) on my own precision corner scales 201kw engined SUV! totally smashes it Ahahahahahaha!

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 Post subject: Re: RACELOGIC VBOX, (performance & real world power analysis)
PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 3:55 pm 
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[Today 02:54 PM] RICE RACING: 0-100kph 7.34 then 7.48 on return run (I went and pumped up tires) did 7.26! forgot to turn on data logger drove around block and ran again she did 7.25 seconds! and 15.47 over 403 meters with no roll out! (had one bad result 7.71 seconds where can launched same as rest but was low on power all way through run *read below*)

I will put up all graphs of it today :)

BP95 octane fuel and verified weight check.

TESTING and power variations:
I have an excellent graph showing some interesting information on how much these OEM cars can vary (same test, same day same car!)

On one earlier attempt it ran a 15.90sec 1/4 @ 140.90kph (showing essentially 155awkw) 0-100kph 7.71 seconds
Then on the return run to second test location it ran 15.44 @ 148.02kph (showing ~170awkw) 0-100kph 7.26 seconds & 7.25 seconds !

GO FIGURE that out if you can! all on flat test track with less than 1.5m variation in height over 400m!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: RACELOGIC VBOX, (performance & real world power analysis)
PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 6:05 pm 
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Ok here are pics of the general VBOX3i set up with IMU sensor fitted.

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Here is the running weight as tested along with shot of fuel gauge and odometer reading reading.
BEFORE TESTING: weight 2025kg
*I took a shit in between weight tests! so it prob used less fuel*
AFTER TESTING: weight 2019kg
Thus 6kg of fuel used (8.33lt) for a covered 82km (10.2lt per 100km), which included 6 x 0-100km/h (7.34, 7.48, 7.73, 7.71, 7.26, 7.25) tests and 2 x 1/4 mile (15.90 & 15.47) tests. Rest of the way was cruising to test locations.
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VBOX graphs to come :)

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 Post subject: Re: RACELOGIC VBOX, (performance & real world power analysis)
PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 12:10 am 
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Here are all the graphs, math channel one is a snap shot of the awkw reading at that listed point, 60ft is marked in metric as is average velocity over last 66ft in metric so you can compare it to a backwards shit hole reading like a drag track ;)

Fist set of tests 0-100km/h
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Second set (was slower for some reason (can see power loss) FIRST test I forgot to turn the traction and stability control off and has slower first 60ft
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Next is quarter mile test (again this is the one where the slower 0-100 happened, you can see the lower time and terminal speed and also measured power)
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Final is the last test repeated on same place as first 0-100's........ this time the power is much higher and time and power are back to normal high's (forgot to turn on data logger on first attempt! (it did 7.26 seconds 0-100!... you will just have to believe me lol. It was that good I decided to do a lap and have another go but this time over full 1/4 mile!) 146.80kph is what you would get over last 66ft on drag strip!!! (average on right hand side) the time slip would be much faster on drag track if you exploited the 1 foot roll out (bank on 3/10th's of a second reduction on average).
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 Post subject: Re: RACELOGIC VBOX, (performance & real world power analysis)
PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 10:48 pm 
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Here is another run from today, You can see the relationship between power and performance, and see how 3rd gear on todays test was slightly less in grunt and resulting effect on time ;) *average power listed between test lines in report* (tested on exact same piece of road within 1m)

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 Post subject: Re: RACELOGIC VBOX, (performance & real world power analysis)
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Got some more set up on the new VBOX, can play all this shit live over the bluetooth right from car or while playing back runs.

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 Post subject: Re: RACELOGIC VBOX, (performance & real world power analysis)
PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:42 pm 
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Here is an analysis I did for a friend of mine (Adjust) he recently bought himself a Race Logic Performance Box to help in his analysis of his track FD.

As a guide he recently got the car tuned by Clint in SA and it did 356rwkw on his dyno dynamics machine. Below is the rice racing formula applied to his data he sent me and you can see the correlation is pretty good. This is raw power as delivered on the day it was run and comparing two different laps. 348rwkw on one of his hot laps on the last back straight going down to the hair pin.

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